EagleWolf a écrit:Ah ok.. merci à tous les deux.. parce que je pigeais pas vu que de mémoire il me semblait bien qu'il avait toujours été question de la glaise. ^^ Donc c'est logique qu'elle (et d'autres) n'apprécie pas la "récupération" masculine.
James Cameron à The Guardian a écrit:“All of the self-congratulatory back-patting Hollywood’s been doing over Wonder Woman has been so misguided. She’s an objectified icon, and it’s just male Hollywood doing the same old thing! I’m not saying I didn’t like the movie but, to me, it’s a step backwards. Sarah Connor was not a beauty icon. She was strong, she was troubled, she was a terrible mother, and she earned the respect of the audience through pure grit. And to me, [the benefit of characters like Sarah] is so obvious. I mean, half the audience is female!”
La réponse de Patty Jenkins a écrit:"James Cameron's inability to understand what Wonder Woman is, or stands for, to women all over the world is unsurprising as, though he is a great filmmaker, he is not a woman. Strong women are great. His praise for my film Monster, and our portrayal of a strong yet damaged woman was so appreciated. But if women have to always be hard, tough and troubled to be strong, and we aren't free to be multidimensional or celebrate an icon of women everywhere because she is attractive and loving, then we haven't come very far have we. I believe women can and should be EVERYTHING just like male lead characters should be. There is no right and wrong kind of powerful woman. And the massive female audience who made the film a hit it is, can surely choose and judge their own icons of progress."
math7777 a écrit:Neimad a écrit:De toute manière c'est pas un secret que James Cameron est un parfait co*****, ça fait un bout de temps que ça se sait.
??? N'importe quoi...
Qui plus est il a parfaitement raison.
Omen a écrit:Tous ça manque sacrément d'argument : "stupide" ou "ignorant" ?
Omen a écrit:Tous ça manque sacrément d'argument : "stupide" ou "ignorant" ?
Neimad a écrit:Omen a écrit:Tous ça manque sacrément d'argument : "stupide" ou "ignorant" ?
Nan mais franchement je rêve
On est censé argumenter ?
Nan parce que son propos c'est "une femme belle ne peut pas être forte".
Personnellement je n'ai aucune envie d'argumenter là dessus...
Omen a écrit:Neimad a écrit:Omen a écrit:Tous ça manque sacrément d'argument : "stupide" ou "ignorant" ?
Nan mais franchement je rêve
On est censé argumenter ?
Nan parce que son propos c'est "une femme belle ne peut pas être forte".
Personnellement je n'ai aucune envie d'argumenter là dessus...
heu t'as manifestement rien compris à ce qu'il dit. C'est pas une femme forte Sarah Connor?
Il dit que WW telle qu'elle est dans le film est conforme à tous les stéréotypes habituels qu'on trouve dans les films hollywoodiens. Et que d'en faire une icône du féminisme est du coup un pas en arrière. Je dis que la question mérite d'être posé.Neimad a écrit:Ah bon, bah ok je vais donc attendre que tu m'expliques ce qu'il voulait dire
Omen a écrit:Il dit que WW telle qu'elle est dans le film est conforme à tous les stéréotypes habituels qu'on trouve dans les films hollywoodiens. Et que d'en faire une icône du féminisme est du coup un pas en arrière. Je dis que la question mérite d'être posé.Neimad a écrit:Ah bon, bah ok je vais donc attendre que tu m'expliques ce qu'il voulait dire
"Yes, I'll stand by that. I mean, she was Miss Israel, and she was wearing a kind of bustier costume that was very form-fitting. She's absolutely drop-dead gorgeous. To me, that's not breaking ground. They had Raquel Welch doing stuff like that in the '60s. It was all in a context of talking about why Sarah Connor — what Linda created in 1991 — was, if not ahead of its time, at least a breakthrough in its time. I don't think it was really ahead of its time because we're still not [giving women these types of roles]."
Asked about Jenkins' response that not every female lead has to look "hard, troubled and tough to be strong," Cameron went into detail about where he believes she went wrong with the Amazon warrior.
"Linda looked great. She just wasn't treated as a sex object. There was nothing sexual about her character. It was about angst, it was about will, it was about determination. She was crazy, she was complicated. … She wasn't there to be liked or ogled, but she was central, and the audience loved her by the end of the film. So as much as I applaud Patty directing the film and Hollywood, uh, "letting" a woman direct a major action franchise, I didn't think there was anything groundbreaking in Wonder Woman. I thought it was a good film. Period.
"I was certainly shocked that [my comment] was a controversial statement. It was pretty obvious in my mind. I just think Hollywood doesn't get it about women in commercial franchises. Drama, they've got that cracked, but the second they start to make a big commercial action film, they think they have to appeal to 18-year-old males or 14-year-old males, whatever it is. Look, it was probably a little bit of a simplistic remark on my part, and I'm not walking it back, but I will add a little detail to it, which is: I like the fact that, sexually, she had the upper hand with the male character, which I thought was fun."
Pulsion73 a écrit:Wonder woman va apparaître partout maintenant. Je ne suis pas contre. Au cinéma elle semble plus populaire que Superman et Batman (que l'on ne présente plus). Le fer de lance.
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