Joker : Folie à Deux - Ils en parlent...

[Adanedhel]

Ouiiiii on y croit tous

@Ada qui lit ça:

"The high voice, that accent, the gum-chewing, and all that sort of sassy stuff that’s in the comics, we stripped that away."

Ah ben moi j'étais parti du principe que môsieur Todd Phillips était trop snob pour lire des comics, cette fausse littérature pour prolo fauchés, mais en fait c'est pire il connaît le matériau source et il l'ignore sciemment

Parce que changer des trucs, oui, évidemment, c'est le but d'une adaptation. Mais quand il reste strictement rien du personnage, ni son job, ni son caractère, ni les éléments qui l'identifient visuellement, c'est juste un nom creux

[NiradZedjati]

La façon originale dont va commencer le film :

Joli ça !

[EagleWolf]

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“For the people that have seen this movie in general … at the end, they sit and they don’t move for about three to five minutes. Then they text me, the ones that know me, or email me and go, ‘I need a minute to process the movie’. I think it’s going to leave you with a very unsettling … I think it’s unsettling. [It] clarifies a lot of things that you might have had questions about in the first movie … I hope it all gets answered.”

“He had a lot of fantasies in the first movie. This movie really finds Arthur, answers everything as far as, well, that movie really happened. All that stuff really happened.”

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[Adanedhel]

Ouiiiiii bien sûr, pour lui il n'y a "que ces deux films", ils ont " toujours été pensé comme ça", jusqu'à ce que Folie à Deux tape le milliard et là ça deviendra "vous savez, j'ai toujours envisagé ces films comme une trilogie"

[ROY]

Non justement il dit ça plutôt en mode "concentrons nous sur aujourd'hui"

Mais je comprends ton propos vu ce qu'il avait dit à la sortie du premier

[NiradZedjati]

Au vu du mood général autour du film je ne vois FàD cartonner, donc ça tranchera la question...

[EagleWolf]

Une bonne nouvelle pour Ada !

[ROY]

Dans une autre interview il citait le forum français LTH comme source de sa dépression

Sinon sympa le "je sais pas" avant les retours et le "non" après

[EagleWolf]

“The first film is called Joker. It’s not called The Joker, it’s called Joker. And the first film under the script always said ‘An origin story’. Never said THE origin story. It was this idea that maybe this isn’t THE Joker. Maybe this is the inspiration for the Joker.

The big thing with Arthur, Joaquin’s version of Joker, our version of Joker, he’s not a criminal mastermind. It’s one of the things we’ve always said about him, even in the first movie.

If we never made a sequel, it was just like, think what you want about what this guy turns into, but it’s never any version of the Joker that we all grew up on. You know what I mean? That’s just not who Arthur is.

So, it’s kind of this idea of when somebody becomes an icon, and we put things on that person as a group, as a society, as a media, as whatever. We put things on that person that maybe they can’t live up to.”

C'est subtile, mais limpide.

[EagleWolf]

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[Adanedhel]

Au delà de n'avoir rien à voir avec Gunn, j'irais jusqu'à dire que c'est un film qui n'a rien à voir avec DC tout court...

[EagleWolf]

"[One] of the things that we always thought about the first movie or one of the things I definitely said enough in defending the first movie when it needed to be defended because people said it's irresponsible, its use of violence. And I always saw it quite literally the opposite. I thought it was responsible because it was showing the actual real-world effects of violence. It wasn't glamorizing gun use in my mind. It was actually showing, 'Oh my God, this is brutal.' And I think the reality of it maybe is what turned people off, the people that were turned off."

"[It] was never about addressing toxic fandom, but it was about addressing this idea of what happens if this thing gets put upon you, like we were saying, just five minutes ago, but it's not actually what you are. And then, what happens in the worst case scenario, if you finally find love in your life or you think you do, but that person is in love with the character that you represent, not the person that you are."

[Adanedhel]

Mais il est complètement à côté de la plaque ce brave monsieur !

[NiradZedjati]

C'est une façon de voir les choses

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[EagleWolf]

Tu m'étonnes...

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