The Flash - Ils en parlent...

[EagleWolf]

Daley : “We pitched this idea of a ground-level superhero where it isn’t entirely end-of-the-world stakes. He’s just learning his powers and is also somewhat dysfunctional with his life. The more imperfect we can make a superhero, the better, because that’s the inherent challenge: How do you give imperfection to someone that is, you know, physically perfect?”

Goldstein : “They were intense and very bright. Later, it became clear that they didn’t want to quite do the same thing as we did.”

Daley : “If we feel like the powers-that-be aren’t excited about making the same movie as we are, we’re not going to win that battle, and so it’s better to cut your losses and get out of there.”

Goldstein : “They took what we had started and really ran with it and made it a very fun and emotional movie. We’re really happy with how it all turned out.”

Daley : “I’m so glad that the finished product is a super fun movie.”

[NiradZedjati]

Ben Affleck : "Ouais, j’ai enfin compris comment jouer ce personnage [de Batman], et je l’ai cerné dans The Flash. Pour les cinq minutes où je suis là, c’est vraiment génial."

[EagleWolf]

"I don’t wanna give a spoiler, but it was a scene where I get caught, I get saved by Wonder Woman during a conflagration with some bad guys. And she saves me by– I mean, I’m sure the spoiler, DC assassins are gonna get me, but […] she saves me with the Lasso of Truth. And so what happens is that Batman divulges some of his real feelings about his life and his work... I was like, 'Wait a minute, I got it!'"

[EagleWolf]

[NiradZedjati]

[EagleWolf]

"So, if you see the movie on [June] 16 or after, you'll notice that there's a couple surprises there that we wanted to leave for the release of the movie to avoid any possible leaks and stuff. So, there's a couple more surprises there."

EDIT :

[EagleWolf]

Andy Muschietti : "I talked to Zack. But it wasn't technical or narrative or anything. I just wanted to reach out and say, 'Hey.' Because we haven't met before, and I just wanted to tell him that we would be respectful to the stuff that he did before."

Barbara Muschietti : "And to the cast he put together."

Andy Muschietti : "Man of Steel obviously is foundational to this movie because the big threat of Zod coming to Earth is a big twist in this story, and it's something that most DC fans know very well. And that's one of the great things that can form the narrative of this movie."

[NiradZedjati]

Talking to Gizmodo about the scene which sees the Fastest Man Alive rescue several babies falling from the sky, Muschietti made a startling revelation when he claimed that what we were seeing isn't unfinished VFX, but The Flash's very specific point of view.

"The idea, of course, is...we are in the perspective of the Flash," the filmmaker claims.

"Everything is distorted in terms of lights and textures. We enter this ‘waterworld’ which is basically being in Barry’s POV. It was part of the design so if it looks a little weird to you that was intended."

[ROY]

[Mr. Toiles Héroïques]

"Si mon personnage entre dans la Dimension-CGI-Non-Finalisés, les CGI n'ont pas besoin d'être finalisés !"

[Adanedhel]

Alors, je doute pas qu'il y ait une intention derrière... Mais le résultat, c'est quand même que le truc est tellement violent dans l'uncanny valley qu'on ne peut que sortir du film. Donc soit il y a quand même un problème d'exécution, sur la base d'une idée intéressante... soit l'idée ne pouvait pas fonctionner dès le départ

[Winter Soldier]

Sinon, on en parle de toutes les personnes qu’ils ont dû acheter pour vendre le film à base de « c’est le meilleur film de super-héros depuis TDK ! » ?

[Karak]

Talking to Gizmodo about the scene which sees the Fastest Man Alive rescue several babies falling from the sky, Muschietti made a startling revelation when he claimed that what we were seeing isn't unfinished VFX, but The Flash's very specific point of view.

"The idea, of course, is...we are in the perspective of the Flash," the filmmaker claims.

"Everything is distorted in terms of lights and textures. We enter this ‘waterworld’ which is basically being in Barry’s POV. It was part of the design so if it looks a little weird to you that was intended."

Belle tentative

[EagleWolf]

Quand je soulignais la possibilité que ce soit intentionnel dans ma critique...

Mais ouais, là c'est un peu poussif comme argument. Bien que.. je trouve cela plausible vu les effets de flous importants, en plus d'une saturation des couleurs, qui sont forcément générés par les vibrations de la Speed Force, ce qui explique l'impression de visages en pâte à modeler. Le comble c'est que si ce n'est vraiment pas fait exprès au départ, cet effet devient canon. (jusqu'à un nouveau Flash bien entendu).

[EagleWolf]

"The insertion of the [Michael Keaton Bruce Wayne] story set up some questions, which is part of a big question that you ask yourself when you're approaching a movie like this. But it was a fun process. How much of [Tim Burton's movies] do we abide by? How much of the aesthetics, how much of the tone?"

"I was very attracted to the idea of finding Bruce Wayne 30 years later and seeing him and basically fantasizing about what his life would have been 30 years later. The idea of, also, the reason why he quit being Batman was very important to me. There's a deleted scene, and you will see in the extras of the digital version of the DVD where that scene is there. We took it out for pacing reasons, but for me, it's very revealing and very important."

[EagleWolf]

[ROY]

Et les deux prochains pareil.

[Karak]

Et les deux prochains pareil.

Ouaip, ça pue tout ça

[EagleWolf]

Zach Mulligan (artiste VFX) qui a travaillé sur le film :

"Artists are forced to work relentless hours, overtime almost every day, including weekends. If the VFX companies aren’t meeting the unrealistic expectations that these studios are setting, the risk losing out on future contracts, and there [are] only so many studios that are making superhero movies anymore."

"When you’re putting out this many projects with shorter turnarounds, the VFX will always look worse. So if it looks like a VFX shot in The Flash was made in a week, it’s probably because it was."

[Azarion]

Ben non Muschietti a dit que c'était parfaitement voulu pour The Flash.

On nous aurait (encore) menti ?

[EagleWolf]

Décryptage de la première grande scène d'action par Andy Muschietti, surtout pour la revoir vu qu'il ne nous apprend rien que nous ne savons déjà.. si ce n'est qu'au départ il devait y avoir un volcan (utilisé avec Sup dans un reportage) :

[EagleWolf]

Jay Oliva, qui était impliqué avec Rick Famuyiwa, précise la version de ce dernier :

“Rick’s movie wasn’t the Flashpoint movie. Originally, there was supposed to be just Zack’s five films and one side movie, which ended up being Suicide Squad. Rick’s movie was going to be a series of films, just like Aquaman. I think all of those films, they were planning to be trilogies.”

“Rick’s movie was laying the groundwork for Zoom as the big baddy of the DC Universe. It was Professor Zoom pulling the strings because he had come from the future to basically f— with Barry. In the Flash movies, Zoom would be the villain in the background. But also in the ancillary other films, you would see some of the influences of Zoom on the rest of the Justice League.”

“At the ending of Zack’s Darkseid quadrilogy, or whatever, we would end up with a Justice League Unlimited version of the Snyder-verse. And then you flip it. You do Flashpoint Paradox. Everybody who’s friends are now enemies, and it’s a world that you don’t want to live in. You can reboot the universe and introduce a new cast that way. Because after ten years, the actors need to go onto something else.”

[ROY]

Et voilà. Et ça serait tombé pile poil pour l'arrivée de Gunn et Safran.

[Azarion]

C'est fou à quel point tout ce qui touchait au DC "Snyderverse" était bien construit, préparé, planifié, même pour des trucs aussi vagues que les prochaines grandes "phases" de l'univers cinématographique.

On le voyait déjà dans la structure de la "pentalogie Superman" ou trilogie Justice League dont on connaît assez clairement les grandes lignes, et maintenant on l'entrevoit jusque dans les spin-offs et leur façon d'entrer en collision avec l'univers étendu.

Avec cette idée, ça laissait le temps à Snyder de suivre sa vision de DC jusqu'au bout, abattre un maximum de cartes, et puis, une fois rassasié et dos au mur, soft-rebooter pour remettre tout à plat. Passer à une nouvelle ère, avec de nouveaux artistes à la barre, avec une nouvelle vision.

C'était littéralement le meilleur moyen de mêler l'utile à l'agréable - le besoin de continuer une franchise tout en permettant à chacun de ses auteurs d'avoir la mainmise sur leur saga. Bref, de passer le flambeau proprement.

Mais apparemment, tout ça méritait de disparaître au nom des cinq années de DCEU qui ont suivi Justice League, et du bordel que Gunn nous pond à chaque déclaration pour un DCU qui n'existe même pas encore.

Des génies, vraiment.

[NiradZedjati]

Jay Oliva, qui était impliqué avec Rick Famuyiwa, précise la version de ce dernier :

“Rick’s movie wasn’t the Flashpoint movie. Originally, there was supposed to be just Zack’s five films and one side movie, which ended up being Suicide Squad. Rick’s movie was going to be a series of films, just like Aquaman. I think all of those films, they were planning to be trilogies.”

“Rick’s movie was laying the groundwork for Zoom as the big baddy of the DC Universe. It was Professor Zoom pulling the strings because he had come from the future to basically f— with Barry. In the Flash movies, Zoom would be the villain in the background. But also in the ancillary other films, you would see some of the influences of Zoom on the rest of the Justice League.”

“At the ending of Zack’s Darkseid quadrilogy, or whatever, we would end up with a Justice League Unlimited version of the Snyder-verse. And then you flip it. You do Flashpoint Paradox. Everybody who’s friends are now enemies, and it’s a world that you don’t want to live in. You can reboot the universe and introduce a new cast that way. Because after ten years, the actors need to go onto something else.”

Le probléme n'est pas que l'univers était planifiée, mais que cette vision là des personnages n'a pas séduit le plus grand nombre, ce qui est problématique dans un secteur de l'industrie ciné (les films SH) qui justement doit être mainstream pour être ultra-bankable afin de rentabiliser les énormes coûts de production de ces Blockbusters (CGI, Marketing...etc).

Bref, le Snyderverse aurait à mon sens dû être une série de films Stand Alone/Elseworld dés le début, et non pas l'univers principal-central sur lequel on mise pour faire face à une concurence (Marvel) qui eux avaient trouvé une formule qui fonctionne et qui leur permettait d'atteindre meurs objectifs initiaux (depuis Iron Man)...